Observations and notes about my dependency hearing, day 1.

Juvenile Justice Court Hearing re Sebastian Soto 08/17/2018

Observations and notes by Gilbert Kliman, M.D.
As a child psychiatrist and forensic expert, I am guided by official information from court systems. The following informational quotes excerpted from the Oregon Judicial Branch web site are relevant to my experience and observations in the matter of Andrea Apple and her quest for exercise of her parental rights and the matter of the custody of Sebastian Soto.
I entered the courtroom thinking Oregon law on the priority of a child’s best interests would be
guiding the court’s hearing. I had confirmatory information for my thoughts, from Oregon family law, which I quote from the State’s Judicial web site:
State of Oregon web site. Judicial Branch:
In Oregon, as long as paternity has been established, the laws on custody and parenting time are the same for both married and unmarried parents. The best interest of the child is the main focus in making decisions about custody and parenting time.

Custody (Legal Decision Making)
There are two common types of custody in Oregon: joint custody and sole custody. The type of custody parents have determines who will have final authority to make major decisions. Major decisions include, but are not limited to the child’s religion, education, health care, and where the child lives.

Factors a Judge Will Consider

A judge’s primary consideration in deciding how to award custody is the best interest of the child. To decide the best interest of a child, the court will look at these factors:
• The emotional ties between the child and other family members
• The interest of the parents in and attitude toward the child
• The desirability of continuing an existing relationship
• The abuse of one parent by the other
• The preference for the primary caregiver of the child, if the caregiver is deemed fit by the court
• The willingness and ability of each parent to facilitate and encourage a close and continuing relationship between the other parent and the child

Oregon law requires a parenting plan in court cases involving parenting time. The parenting plan may be general or detailed. It must say how much time, at a minimum, the children will spend with the each parent. ORS 107.102

The judge convened proceedings at 2:15PM. He noted the absence of the mother and the presence of the father on a remote phone connection which he knew about in advance and urged Ms. Lauren Fields to verify. The father announced his presence. His honor stated the case was clear. Only one parent is needed for a child and there is one parent available. He is satisfied that the mother is clearly not fit for parenting as she has failed to show completion of a drug abuse rehabilitation program and has had two urinalyses which “show the presence of opioids and methamphetamine”.

After the case appeared to have been decided according to the above statements by the judge, Andrea Apple, the mother, arrived at about 2:30. She appeared out of breath and flustered, apologizing that her employment had prevented her being on time. This impressed me as her lacking help from her public defender to prepare her by understanding of how crucial and how much was at stake in the legal proceeding. I thought that because the mother has gone through tremendous efforts to be literally alive for her son, despite metastatic carcinoma. The mother’s AA sponsor arrived a few moments later stating that parking had been unavailable.
Together, these foolish acts of late appearance made me think of how the mother’s public defender had been markedly reluctant to have me give psychiatric evaluation input. Perhaps he did not know the mother was a victim of domestic violence, that the father had struck her during the child’s pregnancy, and had knocked her down and never supported the child. Perhaps he did not know she was like a deer in the headlights if the judge would be aggressive, or angry at her, as the judge was. Later he stated he wanted to be excused from the case because he had a conflict of interest, cementing my concern that the mother was being weakly represented. This was her third public defender, none of whom had discussed her psychiatric status or the child’s with me despite the mother telling them of my hundreds of hours of knowledge about the mother and child.

The mother requested to make a statement and his honor instructed her to discuss that request with her attorney before saying anything to the court. The mother said, “It is only a brief statement”, and “I want to explain”. His honor needlessly, disrespectfully and very angrily said “If you speak again I will have you locked up.” He did not tell her and there was no way she could know that he had already decided and announced the matter was simple because only one parent is needed in Oregon law. He did not mention the best interests of the child. He did not tell her he had already decided and announced moments earlier in her absence that there was sufficient basis for having one parent to be taking care of the child, and that was the father.

His honor soon thereafter allowed the mother’s attorney, Scott Walker, to request the mother be allowed to speak and his honor allowed the mother to speak. Among her remarks she claimed there were falsehoods in her social service records, and the falsehoods were false statements by a mentally ill foster parent which were taken as facts. This acceptance of the foster mother’s statements was despite observations by a case worker that the foster mother was mentally disturbed, threatening the life of Andrea Apple and making false statements about Andrea in the hearing of Sebastian, statements which were false and upsetting to Sebastian.

Further Ms. Apple reported that she believes her previous attorney misled her into thinking it would help her parental rights case if she stated she had a mental illness rather than stating she had cancer, artificial menopause and anxiety which were being treated. Still further, she reported that Lauren Fields had created a deceptive appearance of noncompletion of Ms. Apple’s treatment. Ms. Fields reportedly requested her therapy program not to close her treatment until the court case had reached a conclusion. Using this self-fulfilling step, social services then noted Andrea was unfit because Andrea had not completed her therapy program.
Ms. Apple also raised the consideration that her mid-summer positive urines were not only given voluntarily but should be considered in light of the oxycodone pain medication and various anesthetics she had just been given as part of intra-abdominal chemotherapy.

Mr. Walker stated his law firm had a conflict of interest and would withdraw from representing Ms. Apple in the case in view of Ms. Apple’s complaint against a member of his firm.

Lauren Fields, social worker, apologized for having removed the child from the state without first notifying the court, the mother’s attorney or the mother. She said she would never let it happen again. His honor made no comment. Ms. Fields added that Sebastian was functioning very well, had a new puppy, and was enjoying school. His honor said that confirmed the benefit of the judicial necessity that only one parent is needed to assign the child’s placement.

Nathan Law, recently assigned as Sebastian’s attorney, stated he also had information that Sebastian was happy in North Carolina and enjoying school and a new puppy.

His honor made prolonged eye contact with all parties except for Andrea Apple. He did make eye contact with her when threatening to lock her up.

His honor did not allow me to testify although Mr. Walker stated I had come from California for that purpose and that I had new findings about Ms. Apple’s condition. I was particularly concerned, though silent, that his honor did not state the child’s best interest were the law’s primary consideration.

I was also concerned that while angry at the mother he did not seem displeased or even acknowledge there had been a major social service error, literally a collusion in what some would call a crime, and some would call child abuse, and some would call cruelty to a cancer recovering mother. They literally colluded in dispatching a child out of state without due process concerning the mother. The judge probably did not know that I had tried to intervene with the Governor’s office and spoke with the Governor’s social service ombudsman to try to prevent this harm to the child. Nor did he seem concerned to hear from me after Mr. Walker stated I had sent a report on Sebastian and his mother to DHHS months ago and had new information from an extensive evaluation yesterday. My silent impression was that the court and social services were close minded concerning the best interests of the now allegedly kidnapped child and markedly prejudiced against the mother. Nothing was said of a positive nature to the mother about her years of single parenting, her struggle to parent despite cancer, chemotherapy, lack of child support from the father, and a near heroic struggle against spinal paralysis. Instead the mother was a target of the court’s and social services’ cold criticism, removal of her child, and threat of instant judicial punishment for her inept plea to be heard. “I will lock you up” seemed the court’s message in more than one way – psychologically and in physical reality.

Court adjourned at 3:00 PM with a plan to renew the hearing on October 5. His honor wishes the attorney general to review concerns about a six month waiting period before an out of state placement in North Carolina can be approved.

After the hearing I asked Mr. Law if he would speak with me and study my findings. I offered to speak with Sebastian by HIPAA compliant videoconference and recommended it is urgent that Sebastian have a North Carolina therapist who is very skilled at hearing a child’s thoughts. I emphasized that Sebastian’s suicidality and the crisis of his losing the care of his mother and going into an unknown person’s care created a high risk situation. It is my opinion that the situation is in large part created by improper and prejudiced activities of social services and the court.

Mr. Law agreed that the child needs mental health services in North Carolina.

I have the opinion that I had not often witnessed such a needlessly cruel, misguided, close-minded and imperiously social services process. Nor had I from a psychiatric expert’s point of view seen such a lack of priority to a child’s psychological, developmental and relational continuity concerns in a family court judicial proceeding. The impression I had of the need to appeal this case is heightened because it is one regarding the best placement for a vulnerable child. He is a child whose suicidal ideation and separation anxiety were documented, who has a life long history of care by his mother and does not have a history of support and care from his father. In my extensive psychiatric and psychometric evaluation of the mother on September 16, 2018 I had found her to be very well functioning and fit for the job of being Sebastian’s custodian. The court had no knowledge and no receptivity to having knowledge of the favorable findings by her treating facility and then by me about the mother. The social service strategy of inducing a delay in her treatment discharge and illegally allowing what seemed to me a kidnapping of the child to another state had been successful. That strategy succeeded in making the mother helpless. Rather than a sharp rebuke for the crime, the father was praised by the judge as well as social services for having gotten the kidnapping victim a puppy and a private school. A selfish family feud in which the child was an emotional and financial pawn was described in my unheard findings. The family feud had been won by the father’s side of the family, without the court being aware of the enabling role by social services in that pathology.

Gilbert Kliman, M.D.
Distinguished Life Fellow
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
Medical Director, The Children’s Psychological Health Center, Inc.

More messed up truth….

I wanted to also ask you about policies regarding only substantial evidence being fact, rather than hersay. My case does not include anything substantiating multiple allegations about my horrible character. Yet, the facts should be the only deciding factors to determine the outcome of a case. If nothing was submitted; reported by the foster mom, such as threatening emails and videos sent to Garrett Zimmer. Photos of me on thier property, a letter I sent to my cousin, Jared Hundt’s place of business, and the fake receipt for synthetic urine being the one thing that stands alone, in the end, making DHS believe so many made up stories about me and my father. The synthetic urine falsefying document was enough for them to make a fuss about. My program counselor and I decided to keep me coming voluntarily so she may witness me peeing to appease the case workers. Molly Hawley asked my mental health counselor,July 12,18, to extend my services at the clinic, till the case was over. Subsequently….This was also the reason given to me when I asked Lauren Feilds why I’m still considered a “safety threat” She simply said, “because you are still involved in treatment.” Since when is that enough to initiate an emergency transfer to another foster home, just two weeks before my dependency hearing? I had my civil rights abused and Sebastian’s were stripped from him, and still are at his father’s. My biggest concern, other than my son’s well being and mental state after he comes home; is the way I am portrayed on paper. It appears as if I am a criminal drug addict who completed nothing, finished no services, and in court, Lauren Feilds gave the judge a report reinstating those false pieces of information as her Discovery about my status at the time of the hearing. I happen to know that very specific rules and many regulations are laid out for the ICPC to be acceptable. Notably, many requirements to be an acceptable caregiver for my child,  on Brandon’s behalf, are lied about and completely provable otherwise.  Not to mention, the judge needs to determine that moving the child is absolutely necessary, based off facts alone. Also required, is his approval for the transfer. He ignored my witnesses and did not allow them to speak, he also did not use the verbage, ‘best interests of the child’, or ‘the well being of the child’.Though my parental rights were never taken from me, I had no chance from the beginning. Judge Bucher treated me like a criminal and made eye contact only to yell and threaten me for trying to speak without conversing with my public defender first. He used the words, “What I learned from reviewing that the mother has not been doing well as far as services is concerned. She canceled her drug and alcohol treatment. But basically she hasn’t been doing anything. Also she stopped counseling and visiting. So she’s not making significant progress.” That was based off a DHHS report dated September 11th 2018 written by Lauren fields in the length of 242 pages. 242 outlines all of my progress and pointed out multiple concerns from me. Due to the fact that two weeks prior, my mental health counselor confirmed over telephone, to Ms. Fields, that I have in fact, met all my goals. That I have made significant progress with all services, and the case was still open only due to CPS directly requesting they keep me there till the case with DHS closes. So how did that also become the reason I didn’t get Sebastian back? Brandon Soto owes over $1,000 for both of his child support cases based out of California. I verified today with CA child support office in Sonoma County CA,  that his driver’s license is, and has been revoked for as long as his account remains in default. I’ve not been able to find any justice within this system put into place to assist famalies to be successful, and provide services to strengthen the family and thier values to reunite as a stronger and safer unit. I moved to Oregon with my son alone. I only knew my cousin’s family, other than that, I’m alone here. Nothing was further from the truth to say that I continued to do drugs. I left my hometown and all I knew to give us a start over. The only thing this movement here did to our family, was rip apart a loving bond between mother and my only child. I’m in remission from stage IV breast cancer and I will be going through menopause for the rest of my life as an ongoing treatment to stay cancer free. I am alone,  heart broken and left to fend for myself even though I was stripped of everything, lost everything, even the most precious part of my life, by neglect in the system. I have not been taken seriously, and deemed, unable to take accountability for my actions, delusional, and a victim that needs to “just get the help I need.” My mental evaluation showed very competant parenting skills and even goes as far to say that some of my answers had to be written simply because I was writing only what I felt the doctor wanted to hear. Nobody ever listened to my concerns about being set up. I feel abused by DHS, discriminated upon and denied my basic civil rights. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

A. Apple

Hi Andrea,

I am so sorry to hear about your family. Unfortunately, I am not able to do anything with you case as I am not assigned and it appears that your case has closed. They best route would be for you to call the previous supervisor, Bruce Kennedy-Smith (503-277-6775) and articulate your concerns. There is always someone above someone and you can continue to ask for names and phone numbers so keep stating your concerns.

If you still feel that your son’s safety is still an issue, you should also contact the child abuse hotline in the area of North Carolina where he resides and again, articulate your concerns.

I am so sorry I can’t help more, but I do really appreciate your fight and concern for your kiddo.


Mrs. Andersen,

My name is Andrea Apple,  Tasha Quarles gave me your name. I would really like to tell you about my case and see if you can help me. My son, Sebastian Soto was moved to NC with his criminal father, after being in an abusive foster home for 7 months. Lauren Feilds was my case worker, she moved my son without a court order, just 2 weeks before my dependency hearing. She never tried to reunite myself and my son. I finished all services, court ordered, and Ms. Fields,  and Molly Hawley never followed my progress and both lied about me in my case file. The entire documented file about me is all made up, nothing sustained false allegations. Yet, my case was mishandled and neglected. All the while, my son was being abused emotionally in the foster home, and CPS documented all of it.  I finally had a dirty UA 4 months after a case was initiated on me, by Garrett Zimmer. The only information they had on me at all, was unsubstantiated lies from disgruntled family members I moved in with to escape a bad relationship in California.  If you are able to take a minute or two to call me, it would be very helpful. My case number: 18JU01229.  Thank you.


Andrea Apple 

Bruce, I am not sure what information you’ve sent in the encrypted message to all parties but often times, I am unable to open it.  This case is now closed with the NC ICPC office so I hope whatever it is, that Ms. Apple will be able to find helpful since at this point, helping her is beyond my scope of duties/tasks. As I indicated, OR should be willing to speak with her and answer any unresolved questions or comments that she might have. Thanks.

Sherita Wright, MS

Program Consultant II, NC ICPC Office

NC Division of Social Services, Child Welfare

North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services

Raleigh, NC 27603